1 Peter 4:12

“Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened unto you:”
King James Version (KJV)

Other Translations of 1 Peter 4:12

Beloued, thinke it not strange concerning the fiery triall, which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened vnto you.
- King James Version (1611) - Compare to scan of original 1 Peter chapter 4

Beloved, do not be surprised at the fiery ordeal among you, which comes upon you for your testing, as though some strange thing were happening to you;
- New American Standard Version (1995)

Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial among you, which cometh upon you to prove you, as though a strange thing happened unto you:
- American Standard Version (1901)

Dear brothers, do not be surprised, as if it was something strange, if your faith is tested as by fire:
- Basic English Bible

Beloved, take not [as] strange the fire [of persecution] which has taken place amongst you for [your] trial, as if a strange thing was happening to you;
- Darby Bible

Dearly beloved, think not strange the burning heat which is to try you, as if some new thing happened to you;
- Douay Rheims Bible

Beloved, think it not strange concerning the fiery trial which is to try you, as though some strange thing happened to you:
- Webster's Bible

Dear friends, do not be surprised at finding that that scorching flame of persecution is raging among you to put you to the test--as though some surprising thing were accidentally happening to you.
- Weymouth Bible

Beloved, don't be astonished at the fiery trial which has come upon you, to test you, as though a strange thing happened to you.
- World English Bible

Amen. Moost dere brytheren, nyle ye go in pilgrymage in feruour, that is maad to you to temptacioun, as if ony newe thing bifalle to you;
- Wycliffe Bible

Beloved, think it not strange at the fiery suffering among you that is coming to try you, as if a strange thing were happening to you,
- Youngs Literal Bible

Mishael's comment on 2020-09-19 19:09:43:

If you will check the entire thread, you will see I did not make any comment about you, or Judy May.

Vincent's comment on 2020-09-19 10:29:27:

Good job D.J.

I applaud your efforts towards defense on a topic you apppear to be very passionate about. Perhaps next time you could leave your virtue signaling on F.B. and allow the poor woman who askes a simple question here to not regret it. If emotion equated to fact, you would definitely win. But I did not know we were competing.

Next time you want to punk somebody out on a biblical matter, feel free to to do so by using fact and less emotion. You clearly have no interest in learning, just bullying. If I said something wrong (perhaps misunderstood) I am willing to learn, but as far as I can see this comment section has been exhausted only by your vacuous rants on the pretext of social justice.

Forgive us Judy may.

D.J.'s comment on 2020-09-19 09:36:35:

Vincent Calvert,

Why would it matter to you what ministry Judy May is affiliated with?

Judy never asked if she could be a "leader" of a church, or if she could "teach". Judy asked if she had a right to "take part in ministry."

You say that the definition of "ministry" is "service or aid... not to one particular job."

So, according to your definition of "ministry," what is your problem with Judy?

Maybe you should check through her first comment, as those words "should suffice."

You say "One who prophesies can teach."

Well said.

Not to cherry pick, but what are you to do with Phillip's 4 daughters that were prophetesses. Could they not teach?

You say "a prophet[ess]" (seer) is an OT/Jewish concept."

Again, what about Phillip's 4 daughters. That is not Old Testament. They were prophesying after Christ died?



Your amazing words and comments should have been "sufficient" to correct my understanding, so sorry if I have not been persuaded that Judy should "be silent" concerning teaching the Word of God.

You do not have to be a "leader" to be a "teacher."

I am not "angry," nor am I looking to make a "spectacle" of this thread.

I apologize if my comments and questions made you feel uncomfortable.

I was just trying to defend the right of Judy (and half of the world's population) through the word of God, to be able to teach (not be a bishop or deacon) other people about the word of God.

stanjett's comment on 2020-09-17 15:04:28:

God makes no mistakes.

Vincent's comment on 2020-09-17 09:18:25:

Judy May, we don't know exactly what ministry you are referring to. Can you specify?

As for the rest of these comments, I will take each of D.J.'s answers in stride as I can see this person is upset and making this comment thread a spectacle. Though I do believe my first comment should suffice, (especially if the references were checked) perhaps some of the words I used need to be defined for a better understanding. Reading Paul's letters to Timothy, Titus, the Corinthians, and Ephesians; Peter's epistle, and Proverbs and you will get a good idea of the New Testament church's views on female leadership.

D.J. do you know what God has in store for Judy May? No, as she has yet to give any information concerning the specific ministry. Hence the reason why I am offering the basic information to make a decision. Ministry= service or aid. Is not specific to one particular "job."

Am I confident in the understanding God has given of the word? Yes. Am I judging Judy May? No. Jude= distinguish truth from falsehood.

Nothing I said was a judgment, as you can clearly see.



Deborah, who was set in her office (Judge) because "all the men did what was right in their own eyes" was put in that position because no other man in the land was capable. Furthermore, Jews and Christians are dealt with differently. This concept, for lack of space, can be summed up with, God's methods of dealing with His people change in the dispensations. More on that another time.

Today prophesy= to speak. Yes one who prophesies can teach. As said before the Bible has restrictions on whom a woman may have dominion over when teaching: doctrine, 1 Tim. 2:12; authority in church, Titus 1:5-9; 1 Tim 3:1-7. It is a shame for woman to be a PREACHER in church, 1 Cor 14:35. A "prophet[ess]" (seer) is an OT/Jewish concept.

Your cherry picked verses:

Acts 2:17, end time prophecy. Acts 21:8-9, good for them. Luke 2:36, read the verse and above sentence. 1 Cor 11:5 read the epistles and you'll understand.

D.J.'s comment on 2020-09-16 21:23:20:

Judy May,

Try to be not discouraged by people looking to keep you down.

Go forward boldly with the Lord Jesus Christ as your covering.

May God bless you in doing what God has called you to do.

He will show you the way.

D.J.'s comment on 2020-09-16 21:06:53:

Vincent Calvert,

Do you know what God has in store for Judy May?

Are you telling Judy May to keep silent concerning the word of God and not offer help or understanding to those that are confused or have never heard?

Are you really that confident in your understanding of the word of God to be the judge of Judy?

Why would it matter that Deborah was a Jew?

Does a prophet not teach?

Therefore, does a prophetess not have the same ability to teach?

If a woman does not have a husband and lives alone, who is the head of her household?

If you are only speaking "expressly of Christian matters," then what do you do with Acts 2:17 or Acts 21:8-9?

How do you explain Luke 2:36 or 1 Corinthians 11:5?

Do "sons AND daughters" not prophesy in the end times?

Vincent Calvert's comment on 2020-09-16 07:13:07:

No need to get snarky there.

Hold onto your seat Mixster...aand away we goo...

Deborah was a Jew. I am speaking expressly on Christian matters.

It is an easy distinction for the serious Bible student. Thank you for your question.

"What are you going to comment, on that?..?

Mixster's comment on 2020-09-16 05:18:57:

God chose Deborah to be a Judge. What are you going to comment, on that?

Did God make a mistake?

Vincent Calvert's comment on 2020-09-15 14:54:33:

What is it God has called you to do?

The Bible expressly says women shall not have authority of man in areas of teaching doctrine and spiritual matters (1 Timothy 2:12).

1 Timothy 3 speaks of the leadership within the church and how only men shall hold those portions of authority. Bishop (Pastor) is to be a husband of one woman. It does not say the bishop shall be the wife of one man etc. Look at all those masculine pronouns.

The serpent beguiled Eve: 2 Corinthians 11:3, then Eve technically lead Adam to sin, even though he should have known better (Genesis 3:6).

As you can see in the marriage hierarchy, it goes: God, husband, then woman (Ephesians 5:24,25).

Man has authority but is not to be a dictator. He is to protect his family and church both spiritually and physically. Any man that does not take into consideration anything a woman says simply because she is a woman, is unscriptural. But there is a biblical time and place for woman to serve. Female pastors are unbiblical. Female teachers (of doctrine etc) is unscriptural if teaching men. A woman is to be taken seriously and to be treated lovingly, but she cannot do everything man does.

Women have and do play a major role in christian faith in many areas including teaching young women and children (Titus 2:4).

As the above comments show, women can prophesy, which mean they can proclaim Biblical truth. With all things, it must be done according to the Bible.

Do not listen to anybody who says "do not worry about what man thinks." This is not a Biblical mindset as the man is to provide sound, biblical guidance. This does not mean a woman can only get info from men (as earlier in my post).

Also, (brief history lesson) all pagan religions worship a female goddess. Could this also be the reason why God chose man to be the leader of church, family, school etc.?

The Bible was written by a holy an perfect God. THE God of the universe and beyond. What is written in there is truth and should be taken seriously

September 26 NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER's comment on 2020-09-10 12:11:36:

Prayer. Nobody really wants to do that. However, our Lord Jesus sits at the right hand of God: every day, every night, 24/7 and intercedes for Christians around the globe.

There's a prayer request room on this website, that is full of people waiting for someone to agree with them on touching their needs.

Check the "thread" button to see if they've been prayed for YET.

Prayerlessness of the Church of Jesus has gotten us, all of this trouble we're going through.

SEPTEMBER 26 has been set aside as a NATIONAL DAY OF PRAYER.

Google your community to see if and where people may be meeting.

If you're old or disabled, we still need to be a part of that.

Mishael

D.J.'s comment on 2020-09-10 11:20:24:

Judy May

Do what God has called you to do.

Do not worry about what man thinks.

Follow God's example.

Judges 4:4

And Deborah, a prophetess, the wife of Lapidoth, she judged Israel at that time.

Joel 2:28

And it shall come to pass afterward, that I will pour out my spirit upon all flesh; and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, your old men shall dream dreams, your young men shall see visions:

Acts 2:17

And it shall come to pass in the last days, saith God, I will pour out of my Spirit upon all flesh: and your sons and your daughters shall prophesy, and your young men shall see visions, and your old men shall dream dreams:

In Context | Full Chapter | Other Translations

Acts 21:8-9

And the next day we that were of Paul's company departed, and came unto Caesarea: and we entered into the house of Philip the evangelist, which was one of the seven; and abode with him.

And the same man had four daughters, virgins, which did prophesy.

judy may's comment on 2020-09-10 07:22:24:

dear friends

why is it with man they refuse to a let women to take part in ministry if God has called me what

am i to do in a God's way .

thanks

Judy may

9-10-2020

Darrin's comment on 2020-04-10 06:55:21:

Amen. God is good!

clarissa edwards's comment on 2015-01-04 11:33:04:

I love it because I always get weary when trials come in my life and I try to micromanage God I have allowed fear to control long enough no more God is telling me trust me don 't look at the circumstances look to me

Arronda's comment on 2013-12-13 05:35:49:

I get it, now! Someone recently reminded me that God will keep on allowing me to go through the same (types of) tests until I get it.

I stand, in admitting that my focus had become distant from, truly, being on the Lord, as should be. (And I know that I am not the only one dealing with spiritual struggles). I had gotten or slipped away, into this logics-mode; trying to figure out the ignorance, non-sense, low-downness, and evil-heartedness--the demonic operations that I've seen in people...I'd gotten off track reasoning circumstances instead of following God's word: yielding/submitting to Him, committing in prayer (over myself; for them, and overall situations).

God has gotten my attention, I'm back! Seeing things God's way and not mine. THE MESSAGE: Fail not to remember what team we are on--we are 'Team Christ'. Fighting in the spiritual battle that is not ours, but the Lord's(1Sam.17:47b; 2Chron.20:15b). I was too busy minding God's business, instead of my own--of being faithful in His way; seeking His will concerning me and all things. And remaining faithful to God: focused on His word; endeavored/invested/studious in His word; seeking His will [daily], (v12) we will find it more accustomed than strange going through our tests and fiery trials, which are to try us, and (v13) we will be able to--conditioned to, and positioned to rejoice that we partake in the sufferings of Christ; for His glory! Amen. (Didn't intend to be so lengthy, but I couldn't help my-spiritual-self (lol) And, yes, I am a preacher, but, no, we are not perfect, either, and we go through ups & downs too, and Jesus comes to all of our rescues--whatever the source or means).

HisDaughterGloryToHimTheUltimateSinnerWitchPastLife's comment on 2013-10-18 03:18:15:

And I will praise you. What the powers and principalities, what they meant for evil. You meant for good. God's will prevailed and now I stand as a living example of your power as you have honored me. I was of the occult and satan wanted me so bad. They tried to kill me. Through many miracles and many tears you healed me and put an everlasting smile on my face and in my heart. Who is like you? Who could ever compare. God annoint the book you commision I begun writing today. For your love, for the book, and for your name and all-encompasing powers sake I am alive and well now to live your purpose. Love Forever-Your Daughter (You Know Me YHVH)! I love you hopelessly infinity x (multiplied) by infinty big in eternity with no restaints!!!

Tina's comment on 2012-09-06 16:06:25:

When nothing seems to go right. You try and try, then you try again, then it comes to you this must be a test of my character. How will I respond.

James's comment on 2012-03-14 04:44:55:

We must have scriptural boundaries on our thinking when we are tried and tested to utmost, think of it only for what it is and do not associate it with anything or anyone else. It is victory in being tried by God, for your faith and trial are no mismatch.

HENRYSEARCY's comment on 2012-02-01 08:27:42:

THE DEVIL WILL TRY YOU , GOD WILL TEST YOU.NO TEST NO TESTIMONY

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